Mortgage Banking Article Technology All Stars

In the April 2010 edition of Mortgage Banking, Safeguard Properties founder and CEO Robert Klein was recognized as a Technology All-Star for role in the MERS initiative.

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About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

Housing Wire Article Default Servicers Implement New Procedures for HUD Reimbursements

Default Servicers Implement New Procedures for HUD Reimbursements

New procedures for Management and Marketing (M&M) contractors take effect Wednesday for real estate owned (REO) properties that the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) owns.

The third generation of these procedures, called M&M III, comes as HUD centralizes its mortgagee compliance functions into a single point of contact, called the mortgagee compliance manager (MCM). HUD awarded the MCM contract to Oklahoma City-based Michaelson, Connor & Boul (MCB).

The REO properties are generally acquired by HUD after a borrower defaults on a Federal Housing Administration (FHA)-backed mortgage. Like other REO properties, these houses typically need the same renovation and sales services that traditional lender- or investor-owned REO do.

According to a conference call recently held by Safeguard Properties, MCB is responsible for pre-and-post conveyance activities including, but not limited to, review of overallowable requests, extension of time requests, review claims reviews, title package reviews and approvals, as well as ensuring properties are conveyed to HUD according to FHA standards.

Introduced in the summer of 2009, the new rules implement a Web-based system for tracking mortgagees that service FHA loans called P260. The online portal is used to file foreclosure conveyance claims for reimbursement and eliminates the need for mortgagees to submit paper requests for pre-and-post conveyance activities to HUD.

In addition to lenders, any field service vendors and foreclosure attorneys who work for mortgagees will use P260. The new process has separate functions for M&M III contractors and HUD personnel, and a portal for lenders, closing agents and M&M III subcontractors. In addition, there is a listing site for the general public and prospective home purchasers.

Since the new procedures were announced last year, lenders have been attending training sessions to get acclimated to the new requirements. According to HUD, the mortgagee remains fully responsible for proper servicing of the property and any action taken by the mortgagee?s appointed servicer or agent is considered the actions of the mortgagee. Because of this, the mortgagee?s accesses P260 as a ?superuser,? and the individual working as the lender?s superuser is responsible for creating online accounts for lender employees as well as separate accounts for vendors and agents. Vendors and agents that work for multiple mortgagees are required to have individual P260 access accounts for each mortgagee that the vendor or servicer has a relationship with.

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About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

DSNews Article Safeguard Properties Launches New Web Site



Safeguard Properties Launches New Web Site

Safeguard Properties has announced the launch of its new marketing Web site SafeguardProperties.com.

Alan Jaffa, the company?s COO, explained that the new site was developed based on feedback and input from Safeguard?s key audiences ? clients, vendors, employees, and industry partners.

?We wanted more than a new look and feel,? Jaffa said. ?We wanted to add and improve features to create a more valuable experience for everyone from first-time visitors to those who count on us as an industry resource.?

Jaffa noted that the most popular and frequently accessed sections of the site include Safeguard?s All Client Alerts, updates on Vacant Property Registration Ordinances, news, and industry links.

The new and improved online features include:???

  • Easier and more streamlined access to services, news, events, and industry information that clients, vendors, employees, media, municipalities and other industry users access most often.????
  • Industry ?spotlights? highlighting five important events or items, which will be updated monthly.????
  • An ?Ask the CEO? section to submit questions on any subject related to the mortgage field services industry.??
  • Expanded information about Safeguard?s services.
  • An enhanced ?contact us? section where individuals can submit vendor applications, request pricing quotes for services, and provide feedback.

Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held mortgage field services company in the United States. Founded in 1990 by Robert Klein and based in Valley View, Ohio, the company employs more than 800, plus a network of thousands of inspectors and contractors serving clients in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. It provides default inspections, property preservation, and REO services to banks, financial institutions, and loan servicers.

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American Banker “Seizing the Wrong Home: Rare, But a PR Nightmare”

Seizing the Wrong Home: Rare, But a PR Nightmare

Reports of lenders repossessing the wrong home are further tarnishing the banking industry’s image, already bruised by bailouts and bonuses.

The mix-ups have been perpetuated by the sheer number of foreclosures being processed today as well as the various layers of communication involved. Addresses and other information passed from one department to another, or from a contractor to a subcontractor, can get garbled along the way.

“It’s what you call a new weakness,” said Joe Bada, chief executive of Five Brothers Mortgage Co. Services and Securing Inc., a Warren, Mich., company that inspects and manages foreclosed properties for lenders. “There’s just so much happening at the same time. The means of communicating haven’t been refined. Information is not moving fast enough from one department to the other.”

Though such gaffes are rare, they have happened enough times to lead at least one major servicer to rethink and retool its default-management process. Bank of America Corp., the nation’s largest servicer, is updating its contractor-training tools and adding a step when securing a property to ensure that the right home receives the repossession notice.

B of A “re-keys” ? changes the locks ? on about 16,000 properties a month, said Rebecca Mairone, the Charlotte company’s head of servicing. In the last seven months, B of A is aware of just 11 mistakes. That gives it an accuracy rate of about 99.99%.

Still, B of A has been burned. Many of the more recent stories in the news about foreclosure mistakes have involved the company.

There’s the case of Alan Schroit, for example, who filed a lawsuit against B of A in January claiming the lender mistakenly seized his Galveston, Texas, vacation home. According to the suit, Schroit did not have a mortgage with B of A, or any other lender. His case in federal court in Texas is still pending. Similar incidents involving B of A have been reported in Spring Hill, Fla., in January and Trenton, N.J., in December.

Overall, B of A admits there was room for improvement.

“There were big mistakes that happened in the past,” Mairone said. “As a result of that, we really tightened our process.”

B of A “took a deep dive” on the 11 cases to understand what went wrong and how to improve on the process, she said. Most of the mistakes, the company discovered, happened at the contractor level and usually involved the field service representative being dispatched to the wrong property.

B of A works with “hundreds and hundreds” of contractors around the country, Mairone said. And most of those contractors hire their own subcontractors, so as in a game of telephone, it’s easy for the instructions to get jumbled.

B of A is not the only company to blunder in this area.

In July 2008, a story surfaced about an Austin family whose possessions were given away to thrift stores after a JPMorgan Chase & Co. contractor, Field Asset Services Inc., seized their home and emptied their house. The home had been headed to foreclosure, but the proceedings were never stopped after the family bought the home. “The foreclosure attorney did not communicate to the client that the property had been sold to a third party,” said Dale McPherson, the president and CEO of Field Asset Services in Austin. “So the client then communicated to us that they needed to get it ready for resale.” JPMorgan spokesman Tom Kelly said the company has since reached “an amicable settlement” with the family.

The reported mistakes made during the foreclosure process are statistically minuscule considering that there were 315,716 foreclosure filings on homes around the country in January alone, according to the latest data from RealtyTrac Inc. “The likelihood of securing the wrong property on a normal inspection probably happens less than one out of a thousand times,” said Marty Foster, senior vice president of loan servicing at PHH Corp., a top-10 mortgage servicer. “And a wrongful-eviction process is probably one out of every 10,000 times.”

But “it’s such a bad perception problem for [banks],” said Glenn Selig, founder of Publicity Agency in Tampa. “It’s such a great example for the consumer that it’s ‘a big bank against the little guy.’ ”

Cheryl Lang, the president of Integrated Mortgage Solutions, a default management company in Houston, said the problem often comes down to using inexperienced or newly hired contractors who are not familiar with a lender’s guidelines. “It sounds like it might be an easy thing, but experience plays a big role in making things right,” she said.

B of A has updated the checklist its contractors use when seizing properties. The list now includes a detailed description of the property in addition to the address.

By April, B of A also will require the contractor to call the servicer and describe the home to a representative to ensure the descriptions match. “Before, they just dispatched with the orders, and there was no handshake back,” Mairone said. Now, “the rep on the phone ? walks through the process with the vendor. They’re standing at the property when they’re doing this.”

Once B of A confirms the contractor has the right home, it gives him or her an authorization number. That number is also included on the sticker that is placed on the front door, with a toll-free number that the homeowner can call.

B of A has also assigned about 50 employees, some of them new hires, to a new 24-hour hot line for homeowners and contractors.

Outdated loan information can also lead to mistakes. “The status of the loan can literally change daily,” said Alan Jaffa, chief operating officer of Safeguard Properties Inc., a Valley View, Ohio, company that lenders hire to manage foreclosed properties.

Safeguard, which works for some of the country’s largest servicers, has access to its clients’ databases, so it can check the status of the loan right up to the point of securing the property.

“It’s possible that even if we found the property vacant on a Friday, on Monday, they could have had conversations with their servicer,” Jaffa said. “We would never have known that if we hadn’t looked in the system.”

Determining whether a home is vacant can be tricky. The homeowner may be away on an extended vacation, or in the process of moving and still have possessions in the home. To address this issue, PHH implemented a control about a year and a half ago that requires its field service contractor to give a homeowner a three-day notice before securing a property. “The notice is really a precaution,” Foster said.

McPherson at Field Asset Services said photo evidence is especially important when determining whether a property is vacant. He said his contractors take about 120 photos per job. If there is personal property in the home and it appears to be worth more than $500, his company submits the photos to the client, which makes the final decision on whether the property is removed. “You can’t be too careful,” he said. “And you can’t have too much documentation.””

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About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico

City of Cleveland W 83rd Explosion Donations Press Conference Coverage

Cleveland City Councilman Matt Zone recently honored Safeguard Properties for their generous donation to the West 83rd Explosion Relief Fund at a Press Conference held in the Gordon Square Arcade Atrium (6516 Detroit Avenue).? ?The press conference was featured on WTAM, WEWS Channel 5 and Fox 8 (Cleveland).?The links to the videos and media article are provided below.

Help for the victims of the W. 83rd St. explosion
Newsradio WTAM 1100

Cleveland – Donations for the homeowners impacted by the W. 83rd street explosion have been rolling in…

The latest groups to donate, Safeguard Properties and the Cleveland Foundation. Safeguard contributed $21,820 to match all donations to date including $5,000 from the Cleveland Foundation, $11,314 raised at a spaghetti fundraiser, and $5,505 in individual contributions.

Safeguard CEO Robert Klein says this tragedy could have happened to any one of us and feels it’s our obligation to help those who are less fortunate.

Klein was honored Monday along with Ani Bagrasarian of the Cleveland Foundation for their support of the victims.

Cleveland Councilman Matt Zone says, “the outpouring of support from the community for the victims of this tragedy has exceeded our expectations.” He encourages anyone else who wants to donate to go to Chase Bank and direct funds to the W. 83rd explosion relief fund.

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About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

Cleveland Neighborhood Development Coalition MERS Demonstration & Training


Cleveland Neighborhood Development Coalition MERS Demonstration & Training
March 24, 2010
Safeguard Properties
Cleveland, OH

On March 24th CEO Robert Klein and High Risk Supervisor Dave Mazanek of Safeguard Properties hosted a hands-on demonstration of the Mortgage Electronic Registration System (MERS) to municipal and non-profit representatives from 21 different city departments and non-profit agencies within the greater Cleveland area.??

The accomplishments realized at this meeting were benefits generated on multiple fronts.? An open format discussion provided for and delivered the strong and clear message that the industry is actively dedicated to and involved with partnering with non-profit agencies to maintain vacant properties and explore creative ways to transfer them for productive re-use.? This information is critical and hopeful for a city such as Cleveland is in forefront of the foreclosure crisis.

Mark Roberge, Central Region Director for MERS, was on hand to share an in-depth introduction of the background, development, and features of the MERS System.? With computer stations provided for each guest, Dave offered a live and interactive demonstration of its capabilities and variables for identifying the direct point of contact information for vacant properties, the most important piece of information for not only code enforcement professionals, but also for those groups implementing community development programs and projects.

As testament to the value and impact of this demonstration, most attendees stayed long beyond the two-hours dedicated for the training session, as they chose to spend additional time exploring MERS to find information on problem properties within their service areas that was once not attainable.? It was confirmed that the most practical value was found in the street level search fields.? The primary concern voiced by the audience, an appropriate issue considering their occupational backgrounds, was locating information for a property that has transferred and/or sold to a third party.? These problems will diminish as more servicers upload their inventories and/or register as members to MERS.

Presentations and demonstrations such as these are imperative to continuing Safeguard?s strident effort to bridge the gaps in communication and build collaborative relationships between the mortgage servicing industry and communities.? This is accomplished, in part, by sharing the benefits of MERS and promoting it as a viable tool for addressing the growing number of vacant properties and the blight they generate within neighborhoods.

About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

Safeguard’s Good Neighbor Door Hanger Initiative


Safeguard?s Good Neighbor Door Hanger initiative proves successful in proactively addressing vacant blight issues

Safeguard Properties has led the servicing industries efforts in proactively partnering with cities and municipalities in dealing with issues that lead to vacant blight. Servicers and local governments are partners in fighting blight, maintaining safe neighborhoods, and ensuring properties are maintained and do not cause a blight on neighborhoods.

As announced in the 1st quarter of 2009, Safeguard initiated a Good Neighbor Door Hanger Initiative whereby a door hanger is left at properties adjacent to vacant and secured properties.? The Door Hanger provided an 800 number enabling the neighbor to contact Safeguard 24/7 if they see any questionable activity or maintenance issue that needs to be addressed.

The Initiative, currently being utilized nationwide for over a year, has been extremely successful.? Since full implementation of the initiative, Safeguard has been receiving over 1,200 calls per day from neighbors who have utilized the call in number to proactively make contact.? The majority of these calls are regarding the property status or reporting questionable activity at the property.at the subject property.? This initiative has resulted in timely remediation of issues that, if left unaddressed, would have resulted in the property being vandalized or a call to code enforcement officials issuing citations. This proactive communication has resulted in a partnership between the community and the Industry in addition to ensuring that the servicer?s collateral interest in the property is maintained.

The correlation between vacant properties and criminal activity has been well documented in communities nationwide.? As foreclosures and vacancies mount, the nation has seen a material increase in the number of copper pipe thefts, arsons and related crimes at these vacant properties.? This ripple effect drastically reduces the servicer?s collateral in their assets and wreaks havoc on the communities where the properties exist.

Safeguard will continue to utilize the Good Neighbor Door Hanger initiative to assist communities and the Industry as a whole to combat vacant blight through proactive collaboration with the community.

About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

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Safeguard Properties Promotes Five Staffers to New Positions

Safeguard Properties Promotes Five Staffers to New Positions

Five team members of Safeguard Properties were recently promoted to newly-created positions within the company. These new positions are part of an organizational restructuring to better serve clients and accommodate Safeguard?s current and anticipated growth, the company said.

Kellie Chambers was promoted to director, property preservation operations. She joined Safeguard in 2001 and previously held the position of manager, property preservation operations.

Kathy Cogan, who joined Safeguard in 2003, was promoted from her position of manager, REO client account management to director, REO client account management.

Palmer DePetro joined Safegaurd in 2009 as manager, regional coordinators. He was promoted to director, REO regional coordinators and customer service.

Jennifer Jozity was appointed as director, inspections department. She was promoted from manager, inspections department and joined Safeguard in 1997.

Amy Nauer previously held the position of manager, REO operations and was promoted to director, REO operations. She joined Safeguard in 1998.

Nancy Runyon has been with Safeguard since 2000. She was promoted to director, vendor management form her position as manager, vendor management.

Founded in 1990, Safeguard Properties is a privately-held management services company based in Valley View, Ohio. The company inspects and maintains defaulted and foreclosed properties for mortgage service companies, lenders, investors, and other financial institutions.

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About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

Managing REO “Confusion Mounting over PTFA”

Numerous lender liabilities have been created as a result of the Protecting Tenants at Foreclosure Act.

Confusion is being expressed over whether or not there is a bona fide tenant in the property and if the lender has an oral lease with the borrower. The statute provides no guidance over what to ask for in order to prove occupancy. Lenders can take an aggressive or conservative approach to have borrowers produce evidence of occupancy. They can hire third party vendors, attorneys or use general counsel to collect documentation.

Speakers at the default super session at the MBA?s National Mortgage Servicing Conference & Expo in San Diego contemplated the best business decision for the lender when it comes to collecting rent. If the tenant is in the property for only 90 days then some of the panelists said it might not be worth it.

?But if the borrower is in the property for two years, then it might be a good decision especially if you cannot get rid of that property or find an investor to take the property off of your hands,? said Cynthia Nierer, a partner with Rosicki, Rosicki & Associates.

The choice may also depend on what state you are in. In liberal states like New York, a landlord is defined as someone who owns the property, so the lender may as well go ahead and collect the rent.

?If you want to remove the tenant, the act of collecting the rent is against you,? said Lawrence Garfinkel, managing real estate attorney, Bendett & McHugh, PC. ?What is your ultimate goal with the property? It also depends a lot on the condition of the home.?

Lenders and foreclosure attorneys might be worrying that the tenant will call at 2 AM to report their need to have someone fix a problem in the home like a broken toilet. Property preservation companies already have eight hundred numbers in place so tenants can make calls 24/7. So far, under the law, Robert Klein, founder CEO of Safeguard Properties said not many tenants are calling or making requests for repairs, and there has not been a significant change in call volume because of the law.

Lenders are not set up to collect rents. The speakers agreed that it is a real paradigm shift happening these days that servicing shops and lenders even have to consider doing this and are being required to do it under law. As part of some legal proceedings, a court appointed receiver might be put in place to collect rents and interview tenants. If property inspections are done earlier to check on non-owner occupancy status, this is a good idea because it is an independent, third party who is collecting rents. It is imperative that all the money is accounted for prior to a foreclosure sale.

Fannie Mae has created a whole new lease with tenant program that keeps the property inhabitable. This formal agreement helps with neighborhood stabilization. As a result of this, FNMA has not experienced any lawsuits yet, said Miquel Gutierrez, director of alternative REO Disposition at Fannie Mae. There are no evictions, and the agreement turns that possible vacant property and foreclosure into a positive situation with a paying tenant. FNMA?s deed for lease program is available in month-to-month and 12-month options.

?With the tenant in place we can market and sell the properties. If it?s lived in, the home shows better,? he said during the session.

Time is of the essence when it comes to maintaining an asset. Foreclosures can be marketed to investors who can sell them occupied with tenants in lease programs or hold them with tenants inside. If servicers can keep a tenant inside the home, it?s likely the property will be worth more. This is a good alternative to REO and it helps markets where it might not be the best time to sell. If borrowers are given the opportunity to stay in the home, there is a strong likelihood that the property will stay safe and clean.

In the meantime, lenders can focus on the massive amounts of real estate owned assets that already exist, scrubbing files and pushing through those assets that truly need to go into REO. Third party sales are increasing, and experts at the show said we have not yet seen the stabilization of prices ? they are still dropping.

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About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.

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Just Do It! HUD Tells Servicers to Fix First and File Later

Just Do It! HUD Tells Servicers to Fix First and File Later

The US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) is pushing forward with plans to speed up the management and marketing (M&M) of properties in order to create a more orderly return of the property to livability and, subsequently, sale-ability.

The new and multi-faceted approach will aid servicers to quickly reclaim expenses from Federal Housing Administration (FHA)-insured properties in the event of short sale, foreclosure, etc. The changes will also apply to properties where there is still an occupant, protected by the Tenant Act, which states that, even if a borrower defaults, the servicers must honor the leaseholders? agreement in non-owner occupied scenarios.

Under the new M&M guidelines, representatives from HUD said at a three-hour panel at the Safeguard Properties? National Property Preservation Conference underway in Washington DC, that servicers should take the risk and get any necessary work done on the property, without submitting a bid for approval first. HUD will then verify that claim and repay the servicer for the expense.

HUD is also releasing a massive computer program, the P260, created by property management software provider, Yardi, and using the Marshal and Swift database for approvals, that will make expense submissions entirely electronic. This is opposed to the current method of ?by phone, by fax, by postal courier,? as one panelist put it.

?Go ahead and do what you have to do,? said James McGee, a single family housing program policy specialist for HUD.? M&M Contractors market and manage single-family properties owned by, or in the custody of the Department. HUD also noted that its P260 reps will be trained by day one, with the launch coming sometime in 2010 and expects the transition to be relatively easy.

Safeguard Properties CEO Robert Klein applauded the move of HUD to modernize its operations, though Michelle Stevens-Schultz, a mortgage officer at JP Morgan Chase (JPM: 40.39 +1.92%) worries that bids currently being considered may be sidelined without recompense once the new submission process goes online.

?We are still working on the transition,? said McGee

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About Safeguard
Safeguard Properties is the largest privately held field services company in the country. Located in Cleveland, Ohio and founded in 1990 by Robert Klein, Safeguard has grown from a regional preservation company with a few employees and a handful of contractors performing services in the Midwest, to a national company with over 700 employees. Safeguard is supported by a nationwide network of subcontractors able to perform any requested superintendence, preservation, and maintenance functions, as well as numerous ancillary services in the U.S., the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico.